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		<title>By: Milie</title>
		<link>http://agentsofurbanism.com/2008/03/is-houston-the-next-great-american-city/comment-page-1/#comment-4434</link>
		<dc:creator>Milie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I studied urbanism in Paris and arrived in Houston 1 month ago.. what a shock !
In Europe, cities of all sizes begin to set up green transportation plans, reserve lanes for buses and bikes, build railroads and relay parking. Public authorities subsidize works to improve energy efficiency at private homes and public infrastructures.. Companies publish every year their &quot;sustainable development report&quot; and promote carpools..
Houston is exactly the opposite of what European urbanists are striving for : a &quot;walkable distances city &quot;.  Here, gasoline is 1/3 cheaper but cars consume also 3 times more and drives are on much longer distances. Houses are for the most part very poor quality. And not to mention consumer habits.. Someone even told me that they use air conditioning AND fireplace at the same time, just to give a comfortable look to their living room. 

Ok, Houston is a comfortable city to live in. Large apartments, wide consumer choice, plenty of cultural events.. you have everything until you have money. 

But what would be Houston without cars and air conditioning ? One day, energy will become too expensive to keep this lifestyle. I&#039;m afraid poor areas will suffer first. I don&#039;t think primarily about aesthetics, I&#039;m thinking about civil tranquility.  (and I don&#039;t dare to speak about global warming here, it&#039;s just a vague philosophy..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I studied urbanism in Paris and arrived in Houston 1 month ago.. what a shock !<br />
In Europe, cities of all sizes begin to set up green transportation plans, reserve lanes for buses and bikes, build railroads and relay parking. Public authorities subsidize works to improve energy efficiency at private homes and public infrastructures.. Companies publish every year their &#8220;sustainable development report&#8221; and promote carpools..<br />
Houston is exactly the opposite of what European urbanists are striving for : a &#8220;walkable distances city &#8220;.  Here, gasoline is 1/3 cheaper but cars consume also 3 times more and drives are on much longer distances. Houses are for the most part very poor quality. And not to mention consumer habits.. Someone even told me that they use air conditioning AND fireplace at the same time, just to give a comfortable look to their living room. </p>
<p>Ok, Houston is a comfortable city to live in. Large apartments, wide consumer choice, plenty of cultural events.. you have everything until you have money. </p>
<p>But what would be Houston without cars and air conditioning ? One day, energy will become too expensive to keep this lifestyle. I&#8217;m afraid poor areas will suffer first. I don&#8217;t think primarily about aesthetics, I&#8217;m thinking about civil tranquility.  (and I don&#8217;t dare to speak about global warming here, it&#8217;s just a vague philosophy..)</p>
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		<title>By: urban.agent</title>
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		<dc:creator>urban.agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norbert,

Looking at your flickr profile, I grew up not too far from your current location.  Therefore, I assume we have similar understandings of auto-dependency in the states.  

You bring up very interesting and valid points relative to infrastructure.  The lack of effective bypasses have plagued cities like Austin and Atlanta for the past decade.  Austin, appears to be addressing this, but aren&#039;t quite there yet.  Atlanta, meanwhile, is just stuck in gridlock.  

From your point of view, what measures are being taken in the trucking industry to address poor infrastructure and rapidly rising gas prices?

Finally, as someone who no longer owns a car, I absolutely lament the fact that we do not have a prevalent, efficient, and cost-effective rail network.

All, 

On nuclear energy, because I&#039;m not convinced it is a sustainable alternative, from Triple Pundit:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/is-nuclear-energy-sustainable--002906.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is Nuclear Energy Sustainable?&lt;/a&gt;

On gas taxes and funding infrastructure from Market Urbanism:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://marketurbanism.com/2008/07/30/urbanism-legend-gas-taxes-covers-all-costs-of-road-use/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Urbanism Legend: Gas Taxes and Fees Cover All Costs of Road Use&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norbert,</p>
<p>Looking at your flickr profile, I grew up not too far from your current location.  Therefore, I assume we have similar understandings of auto-dependency in the states.  </p>
<p>You bring up very interesting and valid points relative to infrastructure.  The lack of effective bypasses have plagued cities like Austin and Atlanta for the past decade.  Austin, appears to be addressing this, but aren&#8217;t quite there yet.  Atlanta, meanwhile, is just stuck in gridlock.  </p>
<p>From your point of view, what measures are being taken in the trucking industry to address poor infrastructure and rapidly rising gas prices?</p>
<p>Finally, as someone who no longer owns a car, I absolutely lament the fact that we do not have a prevalent, efficient, and cost-effective rail network.</p>
<p>All, </p>
<p>On nuclear energy, because I&#8217;m not convinced it is a sustainable alternative, from Triple Pundit:<br />
<a href="http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/is-nuclear-energy-sustainable--002906.php" rel="nofollow">Is Nuclear Energy Sustainable?</a></p>
<p>On gas taxes and funding infrastructure from Market Urbanism:<br />
<a href="http://marketurbanism.com/2008/07/30/urbanism-legend-gas-taxes-covers-all-costs-of-road-use/" rel="nofollow">Urbanism Legend: Gas Taxes and Fees Cover All Costs of Road Use</a></p>
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		<title>By: Norbert Smith</title>
		<link>http://agentsofurbanism.com/2008/03/is-houston-the-next-great-american-city/comment-page-1/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>Norbert Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say I like the way you used my little slideshow.

None of the cities I&#039;ve driven through nationwide would survive a major increase in gasoline prices. Not one has a public transportation system that&#039;s capable of handling the full load of commuters.

The only single &#039;alternative&#039; energy source capable of supporting the U.S. economy is nuclear. I don&#039;t know the number of plants it would take to provide power for private and public transportation entirely, but I do know it is several times the number already in use, and many times the number planned (zero? two?).

The single largest reason gasoline prices (and possible diesel by association) are so high, is the arrogant use of energy by people for whom the cost is irrelevant. Gasoline costs what people will pay for it, and for a large number of people in this country, high cost isn&#039;t sufficient incentive to quit trying to impress their neighbors.

Another somewhat related issue with highway infrastructure is the misuse and misguided (politically driven) routing of Interstate highways through cities. Because of this continuing political fiasco, millions are spent on building highways in major metropolitan areas while steadily incresing truck traffic through those areas that does not deliver in those cities continues to increase and add to congestion. With better planning and more spending on coast to coast and border to border highways that bypassed cities, commuters could have the local highways mostly free of truck traffic, and interstate freight could be delivered at a lower energy cost.

Being part of the plumbing, I see more than the average person does about how the whole system works. It bothers me that so much time, energy, manpower, and funding is being wasted to give people what they think they want instead of what they really need.

Personally, I don&#039;t think we should have ever gotten away from rail in the first place...but then Mr. Ford built a cheap car, and the rest is history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say I like the way you used my little slideshow.</p>
<p>None of the cities I&#8217;ve driven through nationwide would survive a major increase in gasoline prices. Not one has a public transportation system that&#8217;s capable of handling the full load of commuters.</p>
<p>The only single &#8216;alternative&#8217; energy source capable of supporting the U.S. economy is nuclear. I don&#8217;t know the number of plants it would take to provide power for private and public transportation entirely, but I do know it is several times the number already in use, and many times the number planned (zero? two?).</p>
<p>The single largest reason gasoline prices (and possible diesel by association) are so high, is the arrogant use of energy by people for whom the cost is irrelevant. Gasoline costs what people will pay for it, and for a large number of people in this country, high cost isn&#8217;t sufficient incentive to quit trying to impress their neighbors.</p>
<p>Another somewhat related issue with highway infrastructure is the misuse and misguided (politically driven) routing of Interstate highways through cities. Because of this continuing political fiasco, millions are spent on building highways in major metropolitan areas while steadily incresing truck traffic through those areas that does not deliver in those cities continues to increase and add to congestion. With better planning and more spending on coast to coast and border to border highways that bypassed cities, commuters could have the local highways mostly free of truck traffic, and interstate freight could be delivered at a lower energy cost.</p>
<p>Being part of the plumbing, I see more than the average person does about how the whole system works. It bothers me that so much time, energy, manpower, and funding is being wasted to give people what they think they want instead of what they really need.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think we should have ever gotten away from rail in the first place&#8230;but then Mr. Ford built a cheap car, and the rest is history.</p>
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		<title>By: oilgasglossary</title>
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		<dc:creator>oilgasglossary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed with gizler, the cheap gas era is over, it&#039;s time to move on and use an alternatif energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed with gizler, the cheap gas era is over, it&#8217;s time to move on and use an alternatif energy.</p>
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		<title>By: urbanagent</title>
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		<dc:creator>urbanagent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>will, 
You are correct.  In most cities, it is the people not the planners that drive the formation of cities.  It is only in cases of broad sweeping gestures, such as Haussmann in Paris or Fredrick Law Olmstead in New York, that planners are more responsible for the character and development.  However, perhaps those are instances in which planners are using &#039;those desires to shape future city form.&#039; This would be an interesting debate.

The real impetus behind challenging Kotkin&#039;s speculation &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; aimed at the patterns and desires of the inhabitants of Houston.  I am suggesting that they will actually get in the way of the potential greatness that Kotkin presents.  There has to be a cultural shift in Houston that reverses the current patterns of residential development.  The economic forces and the willingness of Houstonians to be a car-based city are a powerful force to overcome.

Gizler, 
I think you see this point very clearly.  In its current trajectory Houston is not sustainable.  I may not have been as aggressive in rebutting Kotkin, but you are correct to point out that this is the largest hole in his argument.  I do not think we have seen any indicators, technological or otherwise, that suggest sprawling car-based cities are sustainable.

However, I would speculate Kotkin&#039;s response for ignoring urban sprawl relies on future technologies.  Most likely, however, he is taking artistic license to craft an argument toward his own agenda in promoting Houston.

Despite the articles&#039; faults, what if this had been part of Houston&#039;s campaign for the Olympics...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will,<br />
You are correct.  In most cities, it is the people not the planners that drive the formation of cities.  It is only in cases of broad sweeping gestures, such as Haussmann in Paris or Fredrick Law Olmstead in New York, that planners are more responsible for the character and development.  However, perhaps those are instances in which planners are using &#8216;those desires to shape future city form.&#8217; This would be an interesting debate.</p>
<p>The real impetus behind challenging Kotkin&#8217;s speculation <em>is</em> aimed at the patterns and desires of the inhabitants of Houston.  I am suggesting that they will actually get in the way of the potential greatness that Kotkin presents.  There has to be a cultural shift in Houston that reverses the current patterns of residential development.  The economic forces and the willingness of Houstonians to be a car-based city are a powerful force to overcome.</p>
<p>Gizler,<br />
I think you see this point very clearly.  In its current trajectory Houston is not sustainable.  I may not have been as aggressive in rebutting Kotkin, but you are correct to point out that this is the largest hole in his argument.  I do not think we have seen any indicators, technological or otherwise, that suggest sprawling car-based cities are sustainable.</p>
<p>However, I would speculate Kotkin&#8217;s response for ignoring urban sprawl relies on future technologies.  Most likely, however, he is taking artistic license to craft an argument toward his own agenda in promoting Houston.</p>
<p>Despite the articles&#8217; faults, what if this had been part of Houston&#8217;s campaign for the Olympics&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gizler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gizler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your rebuttal, but you don&#039;t go far enough demolishing Kotkin&#039;s argument with the point he so studiously overlooks: auto-based sprawl is completely unsustainable. It just is not going to work anymore. The cheap gas era is over. Not to mention, we&#039;ve got to stop destroying the only planet we have before it&#039;s too late. It doesn&#039;t matter how much people (and Kotkin) might like cars or wish that it wasn&#039;t so. The reality is here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your rebuttal, but you don&#8217;t go far enough demolishing Kotkin&#8217;s argument with the point he so studiously overlooks: auto-based sprawl is completely unsustainable. It just is not going to work anymore. The cheap gas era is over. Not to mention, we&#8217;ve got to stop destroying the only planet we have before it&#8217;s too late. It doesn&#8217;t matter how much people (and Kotkin) might like cars or wish that it wasn&#8217;t so. The reality is here.</p>
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		<title>By: will</title>
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		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when kotkin talks about thinking like an economist he means taking what we see before us as evidence of intent/desire.   aesthetics are not an issue in that perspective.  

economists have an idea to fall on called the tiebout theory, which more or less says people choose to go where they want to be - ie, they vote with their feet.  its an old theory, and one that is open to dispute, but it is useful...whether it is correct or not is less important than the assumption behind it, which is that the inhabitants of cities shape their habitat in an active way, and are not just passively filling places created by planners.

so, if we think like economists and consider the possibility that people are actually shaping the cities in ways they want then the planner&#039;s job is to use those desires to shape future city form.  that can mean accepting cars and dispersed living patterns, but does not mean giving up on sustainability or beauty if those are concerns.  

it is a challenge few planners, architects or theorists are happy with, cuz it means we have to be really clever and not rely on old assumptions about what a city should be.  kotkin is correct to challenge those assumptions.  it would be nice if he had some alternatives to offer though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when kotkin talks about thinking like an economist he means taking what we see before us as evidence of intent/desire.   aesthetics are not an issue in that perspective.  </p>
<p>economists have an idea to fall on called the tiebout theory, which more or less says people choose to go where they want to be &#8211; ie, they vote with their feet.  its an old theory, and one that is open to dispute, but it is useful&#8230;whether it is correct or not is less important than the assumption behind it, which is that the inhabitants of cities shape their habitat in an active way, and are not just passively filling places created by planners.</p>
<p>so, if we think like economists and consider the possibility that people are actually shaping the cities in ways they want then the planner&#8217;s job is to use those desires to shape future city form.  that can mean accepting cars and dispersed living patterns, but does not mean giving up on sustainability or beauty if those are concerns.  </p>
<p>it is a challenge few planners, architects or theorists are happy with, cuz it means we have to be really clever and not rely on old assumptions about what a city should be.  kotkin is correct to challenge those assumptions.  it would be nice if he had some alternatives to offer though.</p>
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