Comments on: Current State of Innovation… Say What? http://agentsofurbanism.com/2008/08/current-state-of-innovation-say-what/ a disposition of the urban condition Mon, 25 May 2009 07:31:29 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: JohnnyArt http://agentsofurbanism.com/2008/08/current-state-of-innovation-say-what/comment-page-1/#comment-3975 JohnnyArt Sat, 16 May 2009 14:37:05 +0000 http://agentsofurbanism.com/?p=458#comment-3975 Somewhere in here is a deeper argument or question...would the stadium be a better design if it had all the same structure and a more "honest" ot technological/structurally expressive design? This is one reason the Birds Nest is so brilliant, design(packaging) and engineering (structure) are one cool, unified whole. The freedom granted by curtain-wall architecture is terrifying in some way. A clean, all glass facade can be honest, but where are the details to give it human scale and something people can relate to. All of these retro-style sports parks wrench me around a bit. I appreciate the materials and detailing, but am turned off by the dishonesty of the historical pastiche-ism of them. Having said all that, this stadium is not even a good example of that; nothing here to love. I wonder if the oreintation had to do with light/shadow concerns. Iw would be good to know where North/South are on the aerial view... enjoying the blog. Somewhere in here is a deeper argument or question…would the stadium be a better design if it had all the same structure and a more “honest” ot technological/structurally expressive design? This is one reason the Birds Nest is so brilliant, design(packaging) and engineering (structure) are one cool, unified whole. The freedom granted by curtain-wall architecture is terrifying in some way. A clean, all glass facade can be honest, but where are the details to give it human scale and something people can relate to.

All of these retro-style sports parks wrench me around a bit. I appreciate the materials and detailing, but am turned off by the dishonesty of the historical pastiche-ism of them. Having said all that, this stadium is not even a good example of that; nothing here to love.

I wonder if the oreintation had to do with light/shadow concerns. Iw would be good to know where North/South are on the aerial view…

enjoying the blog.

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]]> By: Donna http://agentsofurbanism.com/2008/08/current-state-of-innovation-say-what/comment-page-1/#comment-156 Donna Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:17:36 +0000 http://agentsofurbanism.com/?p=458#comment-156 Wow! Fantastic analysis and wrap up of exactly why I have huge problems with this big dumb stadium - and here's the really horrid part: I'm an architect here in Naptown, so my taxes are paying for this enmarassementy! Ugh!!! I went on a construction tour of it, and the sheer size of it is impressive physically, but not at all mentally i.e. as a technological innovation. In fact on the tour I was most impressed with the fact that the final alignment of the huge over-arching trusses is a few guys on the ground with ropes tied on to the crane-supported structure, pulling the things into place. Brawn and nostalgia, that's us Hoosiers! Ugh. Wow! Fantastic analysis and wrap up of exactly why I have huge problems with this big dumb stadium – and here’s the really horrid part: I’m an architect here in Naptown, so my taxes are paying for this enmarassementy! Ugh!!!

I went on a construction tour of it, and the sheer size of it is impressive physically, but not at all mentally i.e. as a technological innovation. In fact on the tour I was most impressed with the fact that the final alignment of the huge over-arching trusses is a few guys on the ground with ropes tied on to the crane-supported structure, pulling the things into place. Brawn and nostalgia, that’s us Hoosiers!

Ugh.

]]> By: Ken http://agentsofurbanism.com/2008/08/current-state-of-innovation-say-what/comment-page-1/#comment-148 Ken Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:05:25 +0000 http://agentsofurbanism.com/?p=458#comment-148 That's just great. That’s just great.

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